"NotUnlessRoundIsFunny" (notunlessroundisfunny)
08/28/2020 at 17:23 • Filed to: Tesla, model 3, tesla model 3
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"NotUnlessRoundIsFunny" (notunlessroundisfunny)
08/28/2020 at 17:23 • Filed to: Tesla, model 3, tesla model 3 | 7
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Model 3, in a rare moment of good behavior.
My Model 3 is a nightmare of bugs, failures, and lousy service, but this week it did something obscure and cool.
Our Fair City decided they needed the car moved by the next day so they could work on the street. Only problem was, I was out of town and wouldn’t be back in time. And no one else had a “key.”
So: I called a fine car-loving neighbor. Used the Tesla app to unlock and turn on the car for him. He drove it out of the way, and problem solved. Good neighbor + app = solution.
Fun to see this in action. Won’t be long before most cars can do this and more, but I was glad this worked. (Unlike so many
other
parts of the car.)
TheRealBicycleBuck
> NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
08/28/2020 at 17:45 |
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My latest modern trick: “Alexa, turn on the living room light.”
Not nearly as cool as unlocking and starting the car....
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NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/28/2020 at 17:46 |
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Maybe not, but very satisfying. And probably a *lot* more reliable!
Merkin Muffley
> NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
08/28/2020 at 17:51 |
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Easy. "Summon"
WilliamsSW
> NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
08/28/2020 at 17:54 |
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That is cool. But I feel like all Teslas are beta still.
Eric @ opposite-lock.com
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/28/2020 at 18:15 |
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We have one of those listening to us pee, but won’t allow it elsewhere.
The latest trick is a new kitchen faucet with touch on/off. It’s pretty cool. We didn’t pay the extra for Alexa control because we would then have to put her in our kitchen and she’d be even shadier than she already is.
https://www.deltafaucet.com/kitchen/product/9113T-AR-DST
A number of our lights and our garage door are also remotely controllable. I like these wifi smart switches, but they’re crazy expensive and annoying to install.
Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
> NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
08/28/2020 at 18:24 |
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Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
> NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
08/28/2020 at 18:41 |
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All my friends who bought Model 3s early
have had very fundamental QC problems, but the 2020s seem to be better.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Eric @ opposite-lock.com
08/28/2020 at 19:03 |
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We have a couple of echoes, but only one smart plug. I’ve resisted going the smart app route for entry into our home. A standard old-school garage door opener is fine. Keys for the rest of the house is fine. We also still have a wired security system which I don’t intend to get online. But I have to admit, I really like being able to turn on and off that lamp from anywhere. :)
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NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
> Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
08/28/2020 at 19:24 |
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Aww, thanks!
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NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
> Merkin Muffley
08/28/2020 at 19:24 |
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Huh? Only works if you are very close to the car, so that wasn’t an option.
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NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
> WilliamsSW
08/28/2020 at 19:26 |
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That is literally what one of the Tesla service advisors told me on a service visit where they wouldn’t fix the car. “This whole car is in Beta, you just need to be patient while we’re all learning how it works.”
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NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
> Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
08/28/2020 at 19:42 |
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Funny you say that.
I’ve resorted to non-conventional methods to get attention from Tesla:
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NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/28/2020 at 19:46 |
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I’m with you. Though I’ve really been enjoying working with the Hubitat Elevation, because it lets you control things locally. Supports Z-Wave and Zigbee connections. A little rough around the edges but generally works pretty well.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
08/28/2020 at 20:35 |
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That looks interesting. I was looking at a hub to tie into the alarm. I thought I’d give it some more development time.
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Merkin Muffley
> NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
08/28/2020 at 21:25 |
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It all routes via IP network
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NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
> Merkin Muffley
08/28/2020 at 21:49 |
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The routing isn’t the issue, I could contact the car fine once it woke up. Summon is disabled if you’re not physically close enough to the car.
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Eric @ opposite-lock.com
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/28/2020 at 23:19 |
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I forgot, we also have really exotic exterior door locks that were only available for commercial sales (we got them from a distributor that ordered extras on a commercial order) that I’m really impressed by. We kept looking at ones from companies that produced cheap stuff for the residential market and I didn’t like any of them. Talked about it around/with my in-laws and one day my FIL sends me a product PDF brochure for this commercial lock that he could buy because they’re a distributor and we were able to get in on an order. They’re excellent because they just use existing Wi-Fi and are extremely responsive .
https://www.schlage.com/en/home/smart-locks/encode.html
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Merkin Muffley
> NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
08/28/2020 at 23:36 |
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Sorry... obscure reference to the Monster Hack disclosed last week that provided access down to an individual VIN. Armed with that a hacker could invoke Summon.
There was a long bug chain. Theoretically fixed
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NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
> Merkin Muffley
08/29/2020 at 16:00 |
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No worries, actually thanks for that explanation! Do you have a link you’d recommend to learn more? (Quick Google search gave me some lightweight stuff but I’ll keep digging).
Tesla’s testing / release process has been a mess for years from what I can tell. And they use it as an excuse to hide behind when they can, which is frustrating.
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Merkin Muffley
> NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
08/29/2020 at 16:13 |
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There’s fascinating sub REDDIT threads about this. Apparently a White Hat guy got in touch with Director of Software Security directly and was able to convince them over the phone.... He asked for a VIN number of any random car near the Tesla Exec. They gi v e him a VIN. A few seconds later that car starts to move. A brick got suddenly passed through the colons by the Tesla guys.
They gave him $50k and a promise of a car. I'm out hiking today but can post later.
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Merkin Muffley
> NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
08/29/2020 at 16:25 |
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From one write-up on it:
(((((
That’s when he found a bug in Mothership itself that enabled him to authenticate as if it was coming from any car in Tesla’s fleet.
All he needed was a vehicle’s VIN number, and he had access to all of those through Tesla’s “tesladex” database thanks to his complete control of Mothership, and he could get information about any car in the fleet and even send commands to those cars.
)))))
Mothership is the master server that manages all provisioned VINs that have ever shipped. I’d think there should be some redundancy but what do I know?
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NotUnlessRoundIsFunny
> Merkin Muffley
08/30/2020 at 13:18 |
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Thank you. Good to hear Tesla responded well to this...especially since it’s basically the “nightmare scenario” Elon talked about a couple of years ago.
And I really wish I could have been a fly on the wall for the call when they told Elon about it!